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mitt romney for lunch. it's closed to the press but those fiscal cliff talks will be part of that discussion. >> curious minds will want to know. susan, thank you. the fiscal issue of another sort, the record setting powerball jackpot. we like talking about this fiscal issue. this morning lottery officials say there are two winning tickets for the grand prize. the winning tickets were sold in arizona and missouri. the prize winners have not come forward. the winning numbers, 5, 16, 22, 23, 29 and powerball 6. the winners will split a jackpot of more than $587 million. second largest in u.s. lottery history. later in the broadcast, a report from anna warner on the down side to lottery fever. addictive gambling. that's later on this morning. this morning the west coast is getting ready for the second of three back-to-back storm systems, the so-called pineapple weather system started in the hawaiian islands. some call it a train. a mix of powerful torrential rains and strong winds. it has knocked down power lines and trees in northern california yesterday. a second more power
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>> i am melissa francis. >> i am lori rothman. so much for progress on the fiscal cliff talks. at least for today. progress getting a fever pitch as john boehner says white house needs to get serious. senate majority leader harry reid says he is waiting for a serious offer from republicans. so there you can see the stock market slightly higher, reacting to every last word coming out of capitol hill. now the dow was higher, but off of the best levels of the session as we make progress. melissa arizona is the latest state to refuse the exchange. we will bring on judge andrew napolitano to talk about this one. lori: "time" magazine announcing it candidate for person of the year. wait until you hear who the candidates are. we will handicap the list with lou dobbs. melissa stocks as we do every 15 minutes. nicole petallides standing by. stocks are losing sseam as house speaker john boehner took the podium although they have recovered a bit. nicole: is difficult to monitor which way and guess which way the market will go as each headline process crosses, we'reg the market being star
in on these fiscal cliff talks. here is "the new york times" -- in the "financial times" this morning -- roger altman writing today in "the financial times." president obama will be meeting with several governors today at the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff. they will be meeting this morning around 10:00 a.m. eastern time, and then the governors are slated to hold a news conference at around 11:30 a.m. eastern time. go to our website for more details. washington insiders tackle fiscal cliff policy solutions. the group will hold a roundtable discussion today on the importance of reform to address the nation's debt and deficit spending this event takes place this morning around 8:30 a.m. eastern time. go to our website for all our coverage of the fiscal cliff talks. we have a web site set up so you can follow along on our special page for these fiscal cliff talks. back to your phone calls. good morning, doris. caller: good morning. the plan that the republicans offered, this is just the romney-ryan plan that the american voters said no to. other than destroying our earned benefit, i do not c
witt" starts now. >>> almost nowhere. that's the words from the gop on fiscal cliff talks. but exactly where is that? and how will congress and the white house get somewhere? >>> the tug-of-war in the middle east. some new wrinkles that beg the question, is any resolution in sight for israel and the palestinians? >>> unsolved mystery. that huge powerball jackpot raised some unanswered questions beyond who won. >>> having their cupcake and eating it, too. big new twist in the hostess going out of business story. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." let's get to what's happening right now out there. there is new intrigue in the fight over the fiscal cliff talks today. both sides have messages out this morning that seem to echo the same old position. this on the heels of president obama holding a campaign-style event in suburban philadelphia to sell his solution. he said if congress does not extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class, everyone's taxes will go up january 1st. >> i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that's sort of like the lump of coa
a lesson from florida? next, how cherry's could be the latest victim in the fiscal cliff talks. the president of the united way joins me next. gerri: coming up, the war over charitable deductions. will they survive the fiscal cliff? is it a tax deduction for the rest next? >> reporter: ♪ gerri: one source of new revenues under discussion in the fiscal of today limiting deductions for the wealthy, even charitable deductions. it's a controversial idea that has cut and a lot of attention following a recent washington post op-ed. overwhelmingly the charitable deduction benefits the wealthy. here to discuss, president of independent sector and stacey stewart, president of the united weight both of whom met at the white house with the president. white house officials pleading there case. i can't imagine having to better guess for this segment. i want to start with this idea because it kind of blew me away when i saw. a major beneficiary for the charitable deddction, the %-i thought what about that charities and all the people who do -- to rely on them for there good work. let's sta
hand because the fiscal cliff talks allow him to back opposition to a corner, by framing this as the republicans raising taxes. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1. the lump of coal you get for christmas. >> congressional democrats are operating like they don't have to compromise on spending or taxes. >> elections have consequences. the president campaigned. he made it very clear. he made it very clear that he was supporting tax cuts for the middle class. that he wanted the expiration of the tax cuts for the high end. >> with very little progress among the inside players so far, the president now plans to keep pressuring republicans from the outside. he will be meeting with the nation's governors tuesday and he will address the business round table on wednesday. bret? >> bret: ed henry live on north lawn. thank you. we'll talk now about what almost everyone seems to be afraid of. if a deal does not get done. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel has the worst case scenario. >> i'm more
of these fiscal cliff talks that are causing such volatility in the market here? >> well, bill, as you said, we are long-term investors. we really don't find ourselves wanting to move things around that much. >> you're not playing these swings here? you don't buy on dips? >> we're not playing the dips and selling the volleys. >> are you expecting that we will be able to get into this market as better prices at lower prices at some point before year end? >> that would be a very short-term question. i don't know the answer to it. >> and you're not a short-term guy. >> eric, what about you? how are you allocating capital these days? >> you know, we're allocating capital much the same way we have been doing for the last few months, which is thinking, again, sort of long term like was just said. you can do things around the fringes, but they have to be, you know, considered a small move rather than something aggressive. we still don't have enough answers to know what the ultimate outcome is going to be. >> mark, what about you? you know, we tend to oversimplify. right now the feeling is resolution t
and untouchable deduction is on the table for fiscal cliff talks. that costs the government $100 billion a year. you know they're looking at every rock for revenue. it would take buyers away from the house market and it could be devastating to the economy. we have lindsey piegza and dan mitchell, from the cato institute. welcome to you both. lindsey, let me start with you. we shouldn't be surprised everything is on the table here, right? >> sure. but this is a big potential problem. it would no doubt cause prices on homes to fall? liz: to rise? >> i'm sorry. liz: if you took the mortgage deduction it would cause prices to rise. >> we would see prices fall because the demand for homes would teeter. this is big decision whether deciding to rent or purchase. you remove that incentive people will drop out of the marketplace. all of sudden a lot of potential homebuyers would-be homebuyers drop out of the marketplace and cause decline in prices up to 10%. this could really undermine any momentum we've seen in the housing market as of late. liz: that is interesting point of view because when i'm looki
saying he has seen no substantive progress on the fiscal cliff talks in the last couple weeks. what compromises need to be made? sheila bair, being a former fdic chair, telling us 4 ways wall street can help out and it is not all good news for investors. liz: did you see the cover of the wall street journal? fed stimulus like gillian 2013. we talked about this the second broke yesterday halfway through the 3:00 p.m. show. the man who wrote the article, wall street journal's chief economic correspondent and chief head head to lend us live. dave: before that is of we will tell you what drove the market with the data download. stocks extending yesterday's gains finishing a volatile session higher with the dow, s&p and nasdaq trading above the 200 day moving average for the first time in three weeks. telecom and health care were the top performing sectors. fewer americans filing first-time applications for unemployment benefits as hurricane sandy had the labor market and continues to subside a bit. weekly jobless claims fell by 20,000, seasonally adjusted 393,000. prior week's total was
? should entitlement reform be part of fiscal cliff talks? log on to gerriwillis.com, vote on the right hand side of the screen, and we'll share the results. departments paint grover as the villain for why there's no deal. does he deserve the blame? american enterprise institute and political science, norm, i understand that you blame grover front and center. he's the man carrying a pitch fork tonight. >> well, i blame grover, among others, for a lot of the tribalism we've had in the last few years, but it's also the case. if you look at the simpson-bowles report, the rivlin-dmin economy report, the gang of six and crapo and johanns, all say we need a deal that includes $4 trillion in debt reduction over ten years, and about a third of it coming from renues. you got revenues at 15% or just over that of gdp, and spending at 24%, and you got to bring the spending down, but you got to bring revenues up. frankly, we're not going to have a deal. gerri: it's the object of debate, debated every night here. >> yeah. gerri: i was looking at your bio, and back in 2006, you wrote a book called "ho
for coming back on the show. we got news tonight that the president's opening bid in the fiscal cliff talks was extending the jobless benefits for another year. so he is doubling down on his policy. he wants more jobs benefits. what is the cost? and to you think that it is a good idea or a bad idea? >> two things. short-term cost of how it will really poisoned the well in these negotiations. we are talking about deficit reduction, and the president is proposing new spending at top of all the other spending. republicans going into the deficit reduction talks talking about another dividend tax cut is something like that. a very poisonous way to start since the negotiations between two sites. the second thing that is important here is how we are viewing these jobless benefits. the administration is firming in in terms of job creation. that is not what they are. gerri: this is a study they did it, extending jobless benefits would create 300,000 jobs. i had to read it twice to figure out what they were talking about . and it still made no sense to me. explain the contorted logic to work here. >>
. >> he said america can't afford itself right now the way we're going. fiscal cliff talks today continue with geithner making the rounds on capitol hill. later this morning, third quarter gdp expected to be revised higher. economists expect gdp for july to september to be revised from 2% to 2.8%. that would be good news. this is still modest growth. everyone hopes that next year will be a better year than this one in terms of growth. you want to see more than 2.5% growth consistently. >> i will say amen to that. >>> if at first you don't succeed, coming up, south korea trying to launch another rocket. find out how it went this time. >>> and if you are leaving the house now, watch us any time on your desk top or your mobile phone, just go to cnn.com/tv. a , try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. but when i was in an accident... i was wo
the fiscal cliff. that's the hill newspaper. here's politico this morning, inside the talk, fiscal cliff deal emerging is what some write this morning. and that's from politico this morning. first call up on our question this morning, g.o.p. says address the spending problem and in silver spring, maryland, democrat, good morning anne. caller: yes, well i would like the g.o.p. to be a little more specific because all of them who signed the pledge they want to slink government. i listen to c-span. they're so upset about ben gauzey, which they should be upset about, they don't take into account that the state department has a shoestring budget. people are very upset about the compounding, but the f.d.a. operates on a shoestring budget because they have been shrinking government. host: so anne, do you see room for cut? caller: yes, i see room for budget cuts in the defense department. i'm a senior citizen facing retirement, and i really do believe in some means testing for social security. it's an insurance program. and there are people, you're just like with your health insurance, if you're real
. >>> rejected. the gop snubs the white house's opening offer in fiscal cliff talks. >>> upgraded palestine celebrates a new status despite stiff american opposition. >>> rich and now famous. we know the identity of one of those lucky power ball jackpot winners. >> that's good news. >> can't wait to meet that person. >> good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. it's friday. >> happy friday. john berman is hosting "starting point" at 7:00. the middle east is getting ugly. insult and finger pointing in the fiscal cliff debate. tax rates spike and spending slashed. congress is breaking for the holidays in two weeks. it could send the economy spinning in directions. $1.6 trillion in tax hikes. he will travel to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him
. >> thank you. >> senator sessions demanding the fiscal cliff talks be taken out of shadows. why does he accuse the president of holding secret negotiations. he's here next. >> many small business owners saying they can't pay for obamacare. that is not the only thing about the health care law that has them worry. a las vegas business owner here to tell you about another problem. it may turn out to be your problem. >> plus, he's back! who could forget the drunk guy singing bohemian rhapsody in a police car. you don't want to miss this. ♪ ♪ this holiday, share everything. share "not even close." share "you owe me..." share "just right." the share everything plan. sharable data across 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. get a droid razr m by motorola for $49.99. ♪ music kids will spend 22 minutes watching us, the super duper party troopers, sing about ants in their pants. brushing for two minutes now, can save your child from severe tooth pain later. two minutes twice a day. they have the time. >> greta: what is the big secret about the fiscal cliff? senator jeff sessions blastin
demanding the fiscal cliff talks be taken out of the shadows. why does he accuse the president of secret negotiations? that's next. many small business owners saying they can't pay for obamacare. but that's not the only thing about the health care law that has them worried. a las vegas business owner tells you about another big problem, one you probably haven't heard about before that may be your problem. plus, he's back. who could forget the drunk guy singing bohemian rhapsody in a police car. wait until you see what he is up to now. you don't want to miss this. it istory of moms, has ever turned down a handmade ornament. that's why we sat up santa's wonderland at bass pro shops. kids can get their free picture with santa, and this week make a... all for free. >> greta: what is the big secret about the fiscal cliff? senator jeff sessions blasting president obama and congressional leaders for holding secret talks. he joins us. what do you moon by secret? >> these talks are -- these talks are going on somebody leaked part of what is going on some sort of outline from the white house that
on the talks to avoid the fiscal cliff. coming up, chris wallace sits down with treasury secretary tim geithner and republican house speaker john boehner and he will explore what is keeping them from reaching a deal. >> jamie: also a freight train derailing, leaking dangerous chemicals in the air. investigators may now have identified a cause. clean-up continues. folks hopefully getting back in their homes. could that accident have been avoided? >> eric: former president george h.w. bush, he is still in the hospital this weekend. recovering from a bout of bronchitis. coming up, the sunday "housecall" doctors are here to explain why it can be dangerous for some people. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. a new way to save on your prescriptions. it's the aarp medicarerx saver plus plan from unitedhealthcare. with this plan
. >> speaker of the house john boehner giving his take on the lack of progress made in the fiscal cliff talks. and adds tensioas tensions rise capitol hill obama will be pushing his fiscal cliff plan at a toy factory today. >> peter doocy has more on that. >> the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell listening to tim geithner layout the proposal to avoid the cliff. it was so one-sided rich mcconnell reportedly said he burst into laughter. republicans claiming three want a balanced approach and they want to raise revenue without killing jobs and they are going public with their frustrations. >> i am disappointed in where we are. i am disappointed in what's happened over the last couple of weeks. but going over the fiscal cliff is , i am trying to resolve it. >> democrats want republicans to slow down and realize what they are offering is not new. it's the sail debt pl-- same de plan president obama had in the american jobs act. it's not a new stimulus it is something that has been on the table for over a year. >> something should a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job t
. >> susie: investors will be searching for more clarity on those fiscal cliff talks, and they will also be studying tomorrow's importa")jé:0@6cj& but josh feinman says the november numbers won't give an accurate picture of the labor market. he's chief economist at d.b. advisors. >> reporter: hi, josh, so you're talking about distortions in that report. tell us more. >> yes, hi, susie. i think that the hurricane sandy may distort the numbers. we've seen it in some of the other high frequency data in the last couple of weeks. keep in mind tomorrow's labor market report will report on a snapshot of the labor market taken in the middle of last month. and that's when the hurricane and its aftermath were having their effects. >> so the consensus numbers from a survey of economists, they're expecting american businesses added 110,000 jobs it to their payroll. the unemployment rate staying around 7.9%. does that sit right with you. is that what you are seeing? >> probably somewhere around that maybe a little less. one of the problems is it is hard to gauge exactly what the impact of the storm
ceiling into fiscal cliff talks. take a listen. >> obama: congress, in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> jennifer: fortunately for us "newsweek" "daily beast" special correspondent michael tomasky is always up for playing political games himself. he's joining us from washington d.c. thanks for coming back inside "the war room." >> it is always my pleasure, governor. >> jennifer: always a pleasure to have you. so let me talk about this debt ceiling issue. because really, as we look at it really, the only leverage that republicans have on the fiscal cliff talks they proceed to be with the debt limit right? so today the treasury department ups the ante by endorsing republican senator mitch mcconnell's summer 2011 provision which, you know, he suggested and it effectively lets the president raise
irrespective of any fiscal cliff talk. this is all thanks to obamacare? >> yeah, that's exactly right, megyn. there was a surtax in the health care law, supposedly to pay for medicare, but they raised it -- they raided the money out of medicare before it even arrived to pay for the new obamacare spending. it's 0.9% additional medicare tax on wages of high income earners, and it is 3.8% on all unearned income, so capital gains, dividends, rental income, interest, any other unearned income has this new 3.8% surtax, and that's on top of whatever might happen in these fiscal cliff talks. megyn: so that is happening. if you make $200,000 as an individual or 250 as a family, it's happening as of january 1. >> well, looks that way. my parsing of speaker boehner's offer in the fiscal cliff talks is that this is going to happen no matter what. they talked about holding the line -- megyn: no, wait, wait, wait, let me interrupt because i just don't want to confuse the two, because all the taxes are confusing. i'm saying this surtax, this .9 income tax surtax, and then this 3.8% surtax on nearly all cap
nowherep. just 28 days left and fiscal cliff talks are at a standstill over taxes and entitlements. >> they must have forgotten that republicans have continued to hold the majority in the house. but, you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> could the only thing standing in the way of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept rates have to go up on the wealthiest americans and i don't really see them doing that. >> thank you very much. mr. president. >> meanwhile as nato prepares to deploy patriot missile defenses to turkey, hillary clinton warns syria against moving its chemical weapons. >> this is a red line for the united states. i'm not going to telegraph in any specifics what we are would do in the event of credible evidence that the assad regime has resorted to using chemical weapons against their own people, but suffice it to say, we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> and while washington buzzes over this video tribute to clin
, jamie. one month until the fiscal cliff and appears to be little movement, but a lot of talk back and forth and the president used a campaign style appearance to appeal directly to the american people and pushed for immediate action to extend bush era tax cuts for everybody except the more wealthy americans. >> right now congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income, everybody. and that means that 98% of americans and 97% of small businesses wouldn't see their income taxes go up at all. and even the wealthiest americans would get a tax cut on the first $250,000 of their income. >> but republicans led by house speaker john boehner said the president should quit campaigning and take care of business and some suggest that the president is playing a dangerous game of political brinksmanship. >> i think that the democrats and the president view it to their advantage to run the clock out and dangerously close by the end of the year. if there's a break through, in a short manner, takes a while to get proposals scored by the budget offic
on spending cuts within the budget plan to be included in the fiscal cliff talks. >> can you also look in the camera and say dear democrats, both for and include some of the spending cuts in this deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. because that's not what they're doing right now. should they include this? >> yes, and i know that democrats except that this has to be a balanced package that includes revenues and cuts and spending cuts. >> yet months ago, that ws voted down 99 to zero. earlier this week, the number two democrat in the senate, dick durbin, insisted maj spending cuts and entitlement reform will not be part of these talks. nancy pelosi has been noncommittal about whether cuts will be in the deal. still, they are trying to breathe into the talks with vice present biden shopping avenue costco in washington, picking up a big-screen tv and an apple pie and insisting he is optimistic of the deal. >> i am. all these folks in the store. they are ing to make a difference. reporter: a phone call last night betwee speaker boehner and the president was very curt. it signaled that the presi
.b.r." >> susie: the fiscal cliff talks are going nowhere. that's the word from john boehner today. the house speaker characterized the negotiations to avoid huge tax increases and spending cuts at a stalemate. the race to solve the fiscal cliff triggered another round of dramatic sound bites from republicans and president obama. darren gersh has the latest. >> reporter: the president is still pushing to wrap up a deal on the fiscal cliff before christmas and just in case anyone missed that point, he visited a toy factory to urge congress to avoid raising taxes on the middle class. >> that's sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. a typical middle-class family of four would see their income taxes go up by about $2,200. >> reporter: t psidents oposg to raise taxesy $1.6 trillion, while cutting spending by $400 billion. on top of that, mr. obama asked for $50 billion more for infrastructure spending and $140 billion to extend unemployment insurance benefits and the payroll tax cut. republicans literally laughed it off. >> they want... they want to have t
but frozen. so far - no een >>> tensions over tax hikes and spending cuts have left the "fiscal cliff" talks all but frozen. so far no face-to-face meetings have been scheduled between the democrats and republicans. cbs reporter danielle nottingham with the president's push now to sell his plan to american businesses. >> reporter: president obama asked business leaders this morning to support his plan to prevent a fiscal crisis. >> let's allow higher rights to go up for the top 2%, that includes all of you, yes, but not in any way that's going to affect your spending, your lifestyles. >> reporter: if no deal is reached between democrats and republicans before the end of the year, taxes will go up for everyone and automatic spending cuts will kick in. the president wants bush-era tax breaks to expire for households making $250,000 or more. republicans are adamantly opposed to that. >> closing loopholes, especially on those who are wealthy, is a better way to raise this revenue than raising rates. >> reporter: republicans are also pressing their case with the public. house gop leaders invited
cliff talks have hit a stalemate. with only 29 days to go, republicans and democrats remain far apart. and over the weekend, there was worry negotiations may actually fail. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's clear to me they made a political calculation. before president obama and his team are demanding that they allow bush era tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of americans expire. >> there's no way we can govern this country with those low rates in place for future generations. those rates have to go up. >> reporter: but republicans have drawn a line in the sand in raising tax rates. instead, signaling they're open to raising revenue by limiting the tax code. it's a major sticking point. holding up a deal. >> right now, i'd say we're nowhere. >> reporter: president obama is looking for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue over ten years. speaker boehner is offering half of that. there's $600 billion. the speaker says that's not enough. although he hasn't outlined what he thinks should be cut. if they can't avoid the fiscal cliff, it means on january 1st, every american will pay mor
on statement out of this week's fiscal cliff talks, they'll also be watching for friday's release of the november jobs report and what impacts superstorm sandy and those fiscal fears may have had on hiring. meanwhile, the national retail federation is asking congress to step in and stop striking clerical workers who shut down 10 of 14 terminals at two california ports. the group estimates the now week-long strike is costing $1 billion a day. >>> edward glen hayden, managing director and head of global interest rates at morgan stanley, pictured here during his days at goldman sachs is being investigated by commodities and futures regulators. according to "the new york times," the question is whether hayden's trading manipulated the price of treasury futures while he was back at goldman in 2008. >>> news corp. announced the ceo of its uk newspaper operations who took the reins in july of last year is stepping down. >>> swiss banking giant ubs is reportedly close to reaching a $450 million settlement with u.s. and british authorities over an interest rate-rigging scandal that rocked
the details of the president's opening gambit in the fiscal cliff talk. he wants a $1.6rillion tax increase, 50 billion and stimulus spending. and the white house has the ability to raise the debt ceiling without congressional approval. a very big deal for folks there. today, the president is out there, trying to drum up support among the public. not in washington or with congress or the senate. here is what he had to say. >> it is not acceptable to me, and i do not think it is acceptable to you for a handful of republicans in congress will middle-class tax cuts hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks go up. gerri: it sounds like the same old, same old. the president has been making the sa comments again. is this any way to sell a plan? >> there really is not. the president is not being serious about this. the fact that the president is out there campaigning on this rather than negotiating, it means that those that are negotiating, such as secretary geithner, they probably don't feel bound by what the president is saying. th is the fit gammons and certainly no
pointing on the fiscal cliff talks. take a listen to this. >> it's not acceptable to moo a me to you for members of congress to hold middle class tax cuts to hostage simply because they don't want tax rates on upper income folks to go up. >> the white house spent three weeks trying to develop a proposal, and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new taxes, calls for a little not even $400 billion in cuts. it was not a serious proposal. >> all right. so where are we right now? even while the fate of our fragile economy hangs in the fiscal cliff balance, for that let's turn to our distinguished guests. peter goodman. he's the huffington post business editor on a former "new york times"man. we welcome back republican congresswoman nan hayworth and haddy heath, senior policy analyst with the independent women's forum. okay. so mcconnell laughed at the tim geithner proposal. and john boehner says we're at a stalemate. and president obama himself is kind of getting ugly about this enemy's list. we've seen this before from him. my proposal is, republicans have to come with a
the fiscal cliff. the so-called fiscal cliff. they're not talking to each other at the moment. that is what the conversation is going to get to, how do we avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff? you suggested that the fiscal cliff might be good. i got a chance to go through your book. i understand, i think, why you might feel that way. the book argues that we need disorder to develop. we need disorder in our world to develop. we will come back to the book in a moment. based upon the motion -- that notion, why might the fiscal cliff be a good thing? >> we have been stuck for four years in a state of complacency. nobody wants to do anything about the accumulating problems. everybody knows about the problems. i think the civilization is masking deeper problems. if you let markets give you information, they will give the information. other than artificially prop up everything, like having the federal reserve control prices. this is not a long-term sustainable situation. what i think should happen is -- you would rather fail early than fail late. tavis: i'm trying to understand where the li
jobless claims which have some sandy issues involved or the fiscal cliff talks? >> definitely the fiscal cliff. what you were talking about yesterday, boehner's comments really turned things around for the markets, all this sense of optimism all of a sudden. we saw the markets go from down triple digits for the dow up to triple digits. we haven't seen a swing like that since over a year ago. it's been october of 2011 was the last time it happened. it's definitely the fiscal cliff driving things. we heard commentary from lloyd blankfein, between that and the lead story -- one of the top stories on the front page of the "wall street journal" suggesting the president is flexible on the tax hikes, that sounds like a deal might get done. you see a gain of 50 or 60 points. gdp up 2.7% from 2%. there was concerning things when you dig into the numbers, it's all fiscal cliff all the time here, chuck. >> oh, hopefully, as you guys say, it will all -- people will rise above, right, becky? >> that's right. >> i know. i see the button. up next, we're taking a deep dive into the u.s. relationship wit
" saying, "we're nowhere" in fiscal cliff talks with democrats. treasury secretary tim geithner saying and telling chris wallace republicans must accept the tax hikes for the wealthy to reach a deal. a deal is what we are after. peter doocy live in washington with more. peter, tell us first, speaker boehner -- the big problem right now with the white house proposal that was just presented. >> jamie, speaker boehner says he was flabbergasted when the treasury secretary geithner came to capitol hill and told him what the president wants. and this is why. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in ten years. twice as much as he has been asking for in public. he had stimulus spending in here that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: secretary geithner says the white house $4 trillion plan has 2 to 1 ratio of cuts to spending increases. but everything we heard from speaker boehner suggests the $1.6 trillion in new revenue the white house wants is too much. especially since boehner does not want to incr
don't want to get clinical or partisan, or even talk about this ridiculous phrase "fiscal cliff," just in your dealings with the financial issues for the last 30 or 40 years, what is your view about taxation, generally. doesn't america suffer when taxes are slightly higher in terms of economic prosperity? or is that just a bit of a myth? >> well, i think there are a lot of theories running around out there. and i have the formal education, and finance degree so i studied economics like a lot of us did. i was formally taught, the proper way is that way. that seems to be the direction of the obama administration, the idea to raise taxes. and the government control the reinvestment interest the economy. really, there is not much evidence that that has worked. it didn't work under obama or bush, even an argument it didn't work under fdr, which is where it came from. that probably world war ii bailed us out of the economic slump, probably called the great depression, rather than that. i am a sophisticated guy, i don't have a lot of sophisticated looks on things. i just know that i have 350
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. talk to us about that. >> the fiscal cliff, one of the things if we're really going to go over it and change the tax basis, the treasury has to call on corporate america to change the withholding tables. all of us get taxes withheld. if they're going to change what rate i'm going to be taxed at, they're going to have to change that table. that's not an overnight process. certainly, the treasury can't afford to let that go too long because everybody will be underwithheld. they'll get a big tax bill. there will be a riot among the people if that happens. what i'm watching is the treasury. if they get nervous enough, they'll ask them to change the tax tables. so far it looks like they smell a deal and haven't asked for it yet. you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think they may try to push it to the end. the other thing i'm watching for is the 17th when the president is due to take his family to hawaii. i don't think he wants to be in hawaii without a deal. something is going to come up. >> ron, what about you? >> i thought the resignation of senator jim demint, who was a sta
will host a group of governors today to talk about the upcoming "fiscal cliff." this is after they rejected a count proposal from congressional republicans. that plan promises to trim $2.2 trillion over 10 years and includes $900 billion in entitlement cuts, two-thirds of that from healthcare. it also offers $800 billion in new tax revenues but only if the money comes from tax reform and not from raising rates on the wealthy. and that's where the stalemate is stuck. >>> rates have to rise and republicans need to acknowledge that. that's the only way to get from here to there. >> the white house says the plans fails the balance test. tax hikes and spending cuts will automatically kick in on 1/1. >>> in your world, fighting has escalated in damascus. this comes after president obama issued a warning to president assad and his government not to use any chemical weapons. secretary of state hillary clinton says if assad goes down that road, there will be consequences. >> suffice to say we are certainly planning to take action if that eventuality were to occur. >> this week nato foreign minister
talking about every morning here since the election. fiscal cliff, big, big issue. there are now, it seems, growing numbers of people on both the right and the left who would like to see us just go over that fiscal cliff. how big of a problem would that be? >> that would be a big problem. i actually still believe that those -- the democrats, the administration, republicans in the final analysis don't want to see that happen. they do understand that not only would that present a problem in the near term as we went over the cliff at the end of the year, but we still then have the whole debt ceiling fight that would transpire shortly into the new year. the issue isn't simply the negative result of going over the cliff, but it's also that business, consumers, everybody continues to hold back on the uncertainty. and we believe the economy is pretty well positioned potentially in 2013 if we can put this behind us. so i think a lot of what's going on is what you would expect to see in this negotiation, very public negotiation, which is not the best way to do it. i think at some point, the preside
. let's talk about allocating capital. what do i do in the face of uncertainty, fiscal cliff, global, how do you want to allocate capital? >> we've been advocating clients stay diversified and the clear recollection that central banks had desire to increase wealth effect among stock and bond holders. have you to be careful of long-only actions. we had implemented hedge funds into our investors' portfolios, looking for nondirectional strategies like long short equity, currencies, assets that aren't as directly influenced or don't have as much beta in them relative to typical equity and bond portfolio. >> great point. i guess, you know what, if i had to pick who is the face of 2012 for the year, you know how "time" does the person of the year, who's the face of 2012, i would say federal reserve, ben bernanke, he was there all year, stimulus, got to be there till 2015. is that the only thing we have going for us in terms of certainty in this market right here? >> they're certainly the biggest player. you know, we have a fed meeting coming up on the 11th. that will increase volatility in
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, president obama and john byron finally discussing the fiscal cliff. they talked by telephone yesterday. with just 26 days remaining to get a deal done, there are signs of compromise on the republican side. oklahoma's republican senator tom coburn a leading conservative saying he is okay with raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% of americans. in a few moments, soledad o'brien will talk with oregon senator is jeff merkley. he sits on the budget committee. >>> naeem davis now charged with murder for allegedly pushing a man off a new york city subway platform. davis was arraigned last night on a second-degree murder charge. police say he pushed 50-year-old ki-suk han on to the tracks and into the path of an oncoming subway train. >>> internet security pioneer john mcafee could be deported to belize as early as today. guatemalan officials detained mcafee yesterday. they accuse him of entering their country illegally. he turned up in guatemala on tuesday after disappearing from his home in belize. police there want to question mcafee in connection with a murder, his neighbor's murder. he says
for word. but first this, the fiscal cliff, the talks hit a huge road bump. zingers and verbal jabs are flying while actual talks are at a stand still. president obama says republicans must agree to preserve a middle class tax cut as first part of any deal. and he linked republicans to scrooge today while touring a pennsylvania toy factory. listen. >> if congress does nothing, every family in america will see their income taxes automatically go up on january 1st. every family, everybody here, you'll see your taxes go up on january 1st. i mean, i'm assuming that doesn't sound too good to you. that is sort of like the lump of coal you get for christmas. that's a scrooge christmas. >> that's pretty scroogy, right? president obama's proposal calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue. $50 billion for new stimulus spending. and about $400 billion in entitlement cuts. republicans say, the president's proposal's nothing but a political stunt. here is boehner. >> the white house spends three weeks trying to develop a proposal and they send one up here that calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax
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